I also sorta want to avoid adding another row to the database that will probably also add more confusion. For the record, I can still make my 2T slip, but only when doing it on purpose (as was the case on the 2 for me). Alternatively, for everything else on the planet, simply buy your goods from Amazon via the link below and I get a tiny bit back as an Amazon Associate. The problem with this is that you either have to switch tires when you go out/put the bike back on the trainer or need to have a second rear rim with a tire for specific use with the trainer. But again, definitely provisional until I can get it in to test. I – like a lot of readers, I expect – have been monitoring this page almost daily for the last month, so I suspect you won’t need to dedicate a whole podcast to it! These descisions are basically because they’re European (as in your comments about returns etc). I have seen a post on the Zwift forums from people experiencing similar issues after owning the Zumo for a while and it going wrong after performing a ‘spin down’ calibration. Going into this season, I wouldn’t honestly have expected that the Saris H3 would have made the list. You’ll still get power output and everything else. So it’s hard to judge things like accuracy or total ride feel until they’ve got production units (apparently within a few weeks). What a PITA. I just purchased a refurbished KICKR Core directly from Wahoo. I was only doing an endurance session at the time, about 200 watts. That box is a shame. DHunter. Don’t buy your trainer from Clever Cycling. A top cycling coach for Velocious has had the same problem when he and his wife try to ride their respective trainers at the same time. I’d be happy with any of these four trainers. As for not touching the KICKR 2018 trainers that are used off people you don’t know, you’re not realizing the most important reason for that advice: Wahoo requires original proof of purchase for service. However, I’ll tackle that all next week in the shoot-out. Do you have the tools to install/change the cassette? I mean, not practically speaking. Or, Suito-spot. Can we expect the CleverTraining VIP 20% discount anytime soon? Even with the Suito, it appears there is a chance I may have to exchange that as well, though would have the convenience of the local MEC (like REI in the US) close by to stick handle. I have got to think even the mid-range will provide an entirely improved experience but if +$500 is needed to get a drastic improvement then so be it. What do you think? He's made it personal, a pissing contest, more about spitting invective at Rob for his opposing views than getting his own point across effectively. Does anyone know if there is a direct drive trainer that is more compatible with this setup? Tacx: ANT+ FE-C on all ‘Smart’ branded trainers (except Satori). The same goes for apps like Zwift, TrainerRoad, or Rouvy. Looking for Tacx – high end. Yeah, I’d push back again. Thanks for the shoot out! And how do we know if we have an old or new! Almost all trainer companies now broadcast dual on both protocols concurrently. More on that here in my in-depth review. After contacting Tacx (Garmin support?) My advice – wait until fall and take your bike outside in the meantime…. They all have about the same road feel (and each company will tell you their road feel is better). Elite Tuo just recently came in. I’m wondering if it may help to use two different branded trainers, or if some other clever trick is necessary for us to train at the same time. I still hope for a non faulty unit but if I will get 3 replacement units that were not ok, I will also ask for a refund. The only reason is if someone wants to increase/decrease the height of the trainer. are you planning on updating the 2T first look with your findings from the latest firmware. Great info as usual. Are they sending them all back to Thailand/China/Vietnam to the same factory to get re-worked to eliminate any issues? I haven’t done a full review of the Smart Go, but have done the other BKool trainers and have things a bit variable. It’s not as quiet as either the Wahoo KICKR or Tacx NEO, but it’s basically below the noise levels of most people’s fans. anyone have suggestions and how I could resolve this issue on my own. The few times I have let the trainer control the resistance the P1 vs Snap are usually within 2-3 watts on AVG out of 160-180 watts and a 45-60 minute ride. Money isn’t really an issue other than I try to be frugal when possible, specially with a luxury purchase. To that end, i am looking for a trainer that will provide me with the ability to ride local routes with GPS based data from my Garmin/RWGPS/Strava while providing me with cycling data (power/pedal stroke analysis/cadence) and accurate resistance based on terrain. And surprise surprise it just works. I like smooth transitions around the draft, but responsive attacks/sprints. I am getting ready to purchase my first trainer. On my Tacx Genius, I suppose it makes downhill coasting a tiny bit more “real”, but I’d rather be without the extra noise. You could feel the vibrations through the pedals. Note that I do get mixed reviews from folks on BKool service, so I’d probably be more likely to recommend this to someone that’s confident in their retailer (and their return/support policies). Condition is "New". Same grinding than #2. Thanks again for the detailed post. Dang, I can’t make mine even hint at slipping – even as I try and throw down almost 1,000w. Waiting another 10 days doesn’t change that. It’s quite a bit quieter than the Hammer 1/Hammer 2 were though, thankfully. which one to choose? Streaming traffic uses a different protocol and transfer mechanism than live stats, so it's virtually impossible to guarantee a perfect sync between the two. And similarly, the Vortex Smart is at $520, but spec-wise it just doesn’t compete with the others above from a simulation of incline or accuracy standpoint. 60 days Kinomap, So there is no advantage over Elite Suito…, “So there is no advantage over Elite Suito…”. I don’t think there is any physical benefit, but it adds a psychological benefit in that it keeps the flywheel moving just like your rear wheel would be moving if you were really coasting downhill. First one they sent me had a scraping noise. I downloaded the update, and everything is now working as intended. Elite dropped their price to $849, though I still don’t think that really does a ton. You could here from different levels in the house. First and foremost, this isn’t a list of bad trainers. – ES: Not available (link to amazon.es) It’s been tough to clarify whether these updates are actually fixing the accuracy issue found in ERG mode? (I’m considering the Elite Suito). Yeah, ultimately using open polls is really tough around support, since usually people who have no issues say nothing. I see what you mean about the manufacturing process as there are many quality issues reported about the suito. My fan is louder than the trainer. Enjoy ans take care. I’m no Kickr fan boy, but I think this post is unfair to Wahoo. Again – virtually everything on this list has already taken into account all of these considerations. The FIT file is one of the few podcasts I have set to play back at normal speed rather than accelerated. I think it would be weird to me if everything eventually stopped moving as I continue to coast downhill. But yeah, keep denying brother, keep denying. © Studio 123 Wahoo, NE Photography I could see an extremely likely scenario where the differences there are actually greater than that on the trainers itself. I would separate into build quality and warranty. You should check out my videos. Regardless of speed, resistance will remain the same until otherwise changed. Some people don’t care about 2% or 3% accuracy but care about transport and size like me. So for me at CT the Neo2 is 956 v. 1400 at (CT) or about 1220 at REI (a $264 diff). The reliability of smart trainers and the support from the manufacturer when something goes wrong is really important. I noticed that the cadence reported by the turbo is hopelessly inaccurate, the Garmin showed 95-100rpm and the turbo was reporting around 75rpm. I have a new stick and an extender to get the thing right next to the unit and the issue persists when connected via bluetooth on the phone as well. OPTION 3) $ 1210 But it isn’t shipping yet and I don’t have a unit for real testing yet. The first replacement I got, was super quite, but also super inaccurate (100W avg after 10 min and the trainer said it was 120W). It’s debatable. My heart says Core but wallet says Flux S. The Cycleops Hammer (Saris H1) is on sale for 699. I wanted the KickR Core and thought after the issues last year it is a safe bet. In this case your watts will be displayed on the unit when trainer is connected. The Wahoo varsity football team won Friday's home playoff game against Mitchell (NE) by a score of 34-14. We were all starting to worry you’d given up on trainers . But my only experience is a couple of minutes of pedaling a prototype at Eurobike. With all the sales going on, if you could get a Saris H3 or a Elite Suito for close to the same price which would you go with? I also find the flex of the Kickr to be nicer for sprints for some reason I can’t explain. What about Campy compatible trainers? They were selling here in UK last winter for 399gbp. However, the one strength of the Hammer series has always been just how darn good it is at ERG mode. As of yesterday, Monday October 28, 2019, the iOS version of the Wahoo Fitness app update was released. At the momentthe only factor for me for Neo 2T is that it has Power L+R So I could invest my saved money to a higher quality smart trainer? I just need something better than the gym’s exercise bike! I have an itch to upgrade to something newer, but I just can’t do it when my Kickr is still humming along. If possible, I do suggest you ride a number of trainers in the $700 to $1,000 range. Even the same number of gears might be different enough that it wouldn’t work. I’ve never seen any adverse issues due to it. Will that be clever training US only, or EU as well what with MSRP etc in Europe being different. Thanks! Not sure if the kickr is worth then extra. I think I have spun down once in the last 2-3 years. Can’t decide between the Wahoo Kickr Core and the Saris H3. It’s now almost November. It can be appealed.~GENO~. Horribly bad. Given your recent posts on the Tacx and Wahoo Smart Bikes, do you think that a smart bike is that much better than the high end smart trainers to justify the cost differentia? The manufacturer (Saris) did not provide any useful suggestions. Because mine wasn’t the refurbished, at least it was sold as a new one by the shop I ordered. Between that and the inconsistencies I’m getting between my power output on the kickr compared to my crank based power meter (and 10 minute spin-down procedure), I’m thinking of trying a Tacx neo 2T and returning the Kickr. But this year the company made some minor technological tweaks, but also substantially reduced the price. In the mid-range it becomes very challenging to decide but based on your reviews (and noise being a big factor) i am leaning towards the KICKR Core. Problem was the same. Interestingly was in Halfords at the weekend and they had a shelf sticker saying that the Suito was the same price but didn’t appear to have any on show. Hey DCR, I recently bought a Saris H3, partly on your recommendation here in this roundup because of how well it worked with TrainerRoad, and partly cos it was the only turbotrainer I found in stock at the beginning of the year (thanks, Pandemic!). In fact, I e-mailed them yesterday to ask exactly what the process is for those units. Hi DC! Maybe we try a DCR supporter poll this year and see how it runs. I am thinking transportation-wise, be it in a car with limited space or by train. In the trainer realm, that means trainers tend to support two types of things over these protocols. They said they were going to get it by end of day yesterday, but I haven’t seen it yet. Certainly from a price point of view. But with the latest Suito firmware update that I got last week, it too is pretty darn accurate. Everyone who has ridden this and the KICKR differs on which is more road-like. Here’s my video, inspired by yours: link to youtube.com. That’s a $120 difference. In which case – there’s plenty of other trainers out there to pick from for you. Thank you for your quick response. Mitchell (8-2) led 7-0 on a 32-yard TD from Rylan Aguallo and was still within a touchdown, 19-14, when Kolterman had his long run. Or, perhaps I’ll just get bored some day and knock it out myself. Will you test our product before release? This is what you normally use? I guess I wrote it wrong. Seeing all the reported hardware failures is very disheartening, and realize none of these are going to be perfect unfortunately. And any idea when you’ll have its full review up? If I haven’t sold the Bushido up in front I would have just kept it because it worked solid the last 5 years. But you know what? I had to change my price bucketing last year to account for this (again). I’d like a Neo as it’s got inbuilt cadence but price is too much but read your review about the Suito and interested? But let me be clear – there are TONS of trainers out there for less than $500 that don’t have any smart electronic gadgets in them and work just great. Everything goes back to Garmin’s own factories there (a rarity) and back through the assembly line. Here’s some nifty tables that might help narrow it down. For ANT+ FE-C, devices such as the Garmin and Wahoo cycling units support controlling the trainer straight from your head unit. That said, if general ramblings is any indication – I’d say that overwhelmingly the comments are actually negative towards Wahoo these last years in terms of QC/QA type stuff. It might be a fun test side by side when GPLama is here next month to see how quickly they respond in-game with two people that sprint at the exact same second. “New” to this as didn’t have to worry about it when I was in TX and now located in PA there’s snow and ice and stuff that will hinder winter cycling. ERG Mode Power Smoothing So which is it? When I get home tonight I will try the firmware update tool mentioned above but if that does not make it usable I will return it for a full refund. I’m not sure what your angle is, but given you don’t have a unit it basically just sounds like you’re here to stir the pot. (Speaking of humming, though, it is not particularly quiet, so that is one thing of which to be aware.). I have version 168 using the Elite Upgrado app. And one ride just stopped working. When it comes to smart trainers, however, I`ve reached my limits due to the many different opinions here. Just about. I am 110kg and have been reading about potential issues with w/kg at different speeds for the different trainers. In any event, I find that the cross-over between people who really like riding rollers and the people who really like the technology aspect tends to be rather small. For 99% of consumers/apps, there’s no practical difference between the Wahoo/Tacx non-FTMS BLE implementations, since 99% of apps support those older BLE control implementations. After all, there’s still a drivetrain of metal on metal. Chain reaction cycles have the Neo 2 at £899 in the UK at the moment if anyone fancies it. What matters is whether or not it’s accurate. Ian G. November 4, 2019 at 3:08 pm #148. But we need to all be on the same table when it comes to some of the technical terms that we’re going to talk about. Some people spend a lot, I just buy generic $20-$30 trainer mats. The number of complaints seems to have tapered off in recent weeks, and Elite seems to swap out any units pretty quickly if people have issues. Just ordered a suito today. They carry the same warranties as new KICKR’s – 1 year in US, 2 years in EU, and while they don’t go back to the factory, they are run through a complete refurb process and functionality check by Wahoo. I have no issues with it from a Zwift or TrainerRoad standpoint, meaning no issues in regular riding, sprints, or doing ERG mode 30×30’s – all of which can be demanding. It’s largely only available in Asia, and while they do actually make some good trainers (see my review on it previously), it’s just hard to include when the majority of the world can’t get it. I bought a Zumo at the weekend – with British Cycling discount it is currently £386 from Halfords. It’s a shame I wasn’t aware of the upcoming smart bike post!!! F) Tacx Flux 2.1 (arrives when I remember to e-mail Tacx asking for a unit) The Suito actually has faster ERG mode responsiveness than the Direto or Direto X, oddly enough. I was actually about to buy the Neo 2 until I heard you and Lama discuss the ‘bite’ issue, it being too responsive. The way you put your information is brilliant. Yet, this Tupper fella from "Hickstown" or "Hicksville" calls that insignificant? You say that most of these trainers don’t have a power meter, right? Hi Ray GAME RESULTS: I don’t have a power meter on my bike. Hi Ray, thanks for this great analysis. I’m interested in training modes on the Neo and Kicker.. the kicker has – Level, Resistance, ERG, and Sim modes. I did have to return. Given the current covid-19 isolation, and lack of stock of direct-drive trainers sitting on bike store floors, i can’t get out and try my bike on a store trainer. cobblestones), Support rolldown procedure (for wheel based), Supports ANT+ FE-C (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Bluetooth Smart FTMS (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Multiple Concurrent Bluetooth connections, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated December 18th, 2020 @ 8:05 am, Copyright DC Rainmaker - Updated April 29th, 2021 @ 8:13 am, Kinetic Smart Control 2018 (Road Machine/Rock & Roll). Debating. Created 31-Dec-20. Coming from computrainer. If you have a Garmin Edge computer, you can connect it to the trainer and ride your local routes from the GPS data,. Do you know if the watches go through the same refurbishment as well? When I saw they gave the same warranty as a new one after they fix and tested it, I knew that was the way to go. . But keep in mind, having a power meter in it doesn’t really matter. We are getting too crazy about noise. It’s not just heavier folks, it’s also older folks like this 75-year-old who has passes to climb in Rouvy. Wahoo continues to sell those units in higher volumes than ever before, so given that combination – I think this is solved. I want something easy to use…”hop on and go” – I don’t have time nor desire to deal with “spin downs” and calibrations for every ride. Looking at the Neo 2T Smart vs Kickr 2020. I love that trainer but I’ve got a bad craving for an uppy-downy thing to go with it. my weekly podcast - with GPLAMA, which is packed with both gadget and non-gadget goodness! All of which ignores the reality of MAP (Minimum Advertised Pricing), which exists in the US and doesn’t exist in Europe. Through axle and cassette included. I wish it would. Anyone have advice for me. Minoura: ANT+ FE-C and Bluetooth Smart FTMS on all 2019 smart trainers. I guess Stac has more Halcyon trainers. Specifically this firmware version includes the ERG mode fixes as well as the sprint accuracy fixes. Oh, and here’s that post: link to dcrainmaker.com. Cosmetically, there might be some scratches or nicks. Excited going to pickup the box on New Trainer Day. A big 4th quarter sealed the win for #7 Wahoo over #10 Mitchell in the first round. Why even bother to defend it? Instead, they launched the Suito this year at $799 with an included cassette. Thank you for the answer. Now, it definitely had a rough winter with after-sales issues that crept up and caused, rightfully so, lots of upset people. I’m in for the midmarket segment and the Suito looks really a good option. Like you said, not related to the common issues of last year/earlier this year. I wedged a finger under one of the four feet, and the other three feet remained in contact with the floor, and that was without the weight of a rider on my bike to hold it down. Do you know if Elite have fixed the ERG mode fluctuations experienced in the old Direto? I’m looking to purchase one in Great Britain but will be moving back to the U.S. before terribly long so I don’t want to have to buy a trainer twice. Bite the bulit and buy KICKR 18 now or wait for Neo 2T ar new release of KICKR ( Is there a new one to be This is brilliant Ray! But none of the companies had planned to announce things that late anyway. I have a tacx through axle adapter which I think will work on the snap. I decide to grab a CycleOps H2 (from reliability point) even if the noise level is bigger then Suito’s. Narrowed it down to kickr or neo 2t. Thanks very much! Have they been resolved? DC Rainmaker 2019 swim, bike, run, and general gear list. Assuming equal price, I’d go CORE every time. Anyways, I say all this to help level-set where I’m coming from….which I think is a very mediocre experience. And to compliment that, here’s The Girl’s (my wife’s) list. As noted above, it still seems to clip the sprints a bit, though, not as bad as before and in the same ballpark as what I see with other trainers at that price point for accuracy. I’ll reach out to wahoo support. I have to disconnect FE-C and then I can usually connect. Place an order couple of days ago and now will have to wait about 2-3 week to received it. I had similar experience then, after 2 faulty Cores, I also went for the Neo 2 . I do enjoy riding it, I’m just missing the part on how it compares with the other ones. Maybe I wasn’t clear. However, twice bitten is enough. I haven’t double-checked all the EU prices but isn’t a Flux S in that same price point? If you have to choose for the best training indoor. After reading all the articules and reviewes Im a bit at lost. Wahoo improves to 11-3, and will face Ashland-Greenwood on Monday night in the first round of the Conference Tournament.-----Warrior Boys take out Norfolk Catholic for season's 10th win! How do you test for accuracy? The team are on the Facebook group though and active on Twitter so not a problem. There you go, your recommended trainer. Since then my girlfriend used the Bushido and was absolutely happy (as I was before). I’ve got one final ride to do today on the Wattbike ATOM 2020, and then I’ll switch to Tuo for next week or two. Elite Direto X Wahoo is pushing the fitness industry to new heights with the Kickr BIKE. This is really holding me of for the moment. These don’t have weight or size restrictions on the bearings like what is used on bike parts so those should last a long time. I wanted to post an update since switching to a Tacx neo 2T. If you’re primarily an ERG mode person in TrainerRoad, go with the H3 if the slight added noise doesn’t bother you. I am completely new to the world of indoor trainers. I’ve received my replacement Kickr Core yesterday. My problem is that the space between the cassette and drop out is a few mm wider than when the wheel is installed. Overall support ended up being good for me . I actually nearly gave up because of the bewildering range. Thanks John … yes, I was pretty certain of the power being registered once connected to Zwift etc, but just wanted to confirm that those programs are necessary (ie if one just gets on the trainer and does a workout without connectivity to cycling programs, no power will be detectable.). These devices should last a long time but they don’t. Once you strip away the grinning racist veneer, it's just a sports cartoon. We’ll see. OPTION 1) $800. I am based in Switzerland… Would it be possible to say something about the ‘computer’ related set up required for these apps please ? (Due to supply constraints, those are basically my only choices, except for the Elite Tuo for $462, though unless your review on the Tuo comes out soon and says that you recommend it over the other two, I’ll opt for direct drive). At the moment we have Neo2 and some sort of compromise older bike mounted on it to allow me and my wife ride it; idea with the NeoBike was that it would be much more adjustable for either of us to get closer to “perfect fit”. While I’m lukewarm at best right now (until I understand more) on purchasing reconditioned units that were obviously previously broken ones, at least they’re from Wahoo and have likely gone through some process to fix them. I like the Wahoo too. She said that Olly just got my old as a replacement ? It’s a weird one in terms of distribution though. Wondering which one you would choose considering their cost/value/ and if there are some you feel simply are much better than the other and would be worth the slightly higher cost. It’s 12 spd. Take for example, the old CompuTrainer, otherwise known as the rock. Wahoo Fitness is a tech-fitness company that specializes in indoor bike trainers, GPS bike computers, heart rate monitors, apps, and sensors for cyclists, runners, and fitness enthusiasts. You can also just use a towel, just be sure that if you’re on carpet that you change the towel regularly, otherwise it’ll eventually stain the carpet below (sweat going down into it). The H2 will be louder and with more vibrations, but will have a better road feel. Any questions shoot me a DM No trainers in the 2019 guide fail to meet this requirement, to me it’s considered a baseline specification. Required fields are marked.If you would like a profile picture, simply register at Gravatar, which works here on DCR and across the web. The Saris H3 doesn’t move by itself, though you can spend an extra $1,200 for their motion platform. This is done for the following on trainers: ANT+ Broadcast: Power, Speed, Cadence Silent as my #1. OK, I’m a roadie for 40+ years in North Carolina where we can ride 12 months out of the year, but there can be stretches of bad weather in the winter when a smart trainer would be nice, so I’m giving the Elite Suito serious consideration. Why did they fail so fast? I consider both of these top two options somewhat equal, albeit at different price points and for different people. Also, I’ve had the Suito since July – so again, adding another day doesn’t change that. I’ve poked to see what’s up there. Hi, great post. It doesn’t work very well, a lot of the time the connection drops between the screen and the tablet and also a lot of the time the tablet display is frozen apart from the blue rotating circle. I repeat it again, as it seems not clear to you yet, or you try to ignore the obvious; the suito has proven to be not a bad trainer, but a big piece of shit so far, which is much worse. 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